Really, nothing to compare to Jiren and Toppo's feats, nor Mastered UI and C). Then Gogeta f*#ed around on Broly, so that puts Gogeta around Beerus level aswell, maybe above it, but its safest to say that he's 'around' that level. I have stated that Goku was only comparing it to Beerus when he was fighting with him at the start of the Super series when attained his God form. Again, you literally have no proof whatsoever. Lack of evidence. Gogeta effortlessly stomped a Beerus level enemy, he annihilates here since Beerus doesn’t get ridiculously stronger through the course of a fight like Broly does. Clearly SSJ4 Gogeta is well worth Beerus' acknowledgement. @karkus: People are using Goku's statement where he said "You might/probably stronger than our Beerus." Whether stronger or not Broly is hovering around that Area and Gogeta stomped him. In the 40 minutes we've seen Jiren broke Goku's and Vegeta's limits many, many times, by giving them a massive Zenkai boost. Whis never mentions that Broly was in a God of Destruction's domain like Jiren has when he was comparing to Beerus as a God of Destruction. And questioned "How a mortal can release this much Ki?". While all fusions have immense power, Gogeta's power is abnormal even by regular standards, as Vegeta and Goku's intense rivalry has brought out an exceptional power. Jiren would easily thrash Broly when he's heavily surpressed. -The only thing they know about each other is that Beerus is a god of destruction, and that SSJ4 Gogeta is a fusion of 2 saiyans ; And that each might be stronger than anything they've faced before. Beerus playing around with him is reminiscent of 50% Frieza playing around with Namek-Saga Goku which was a power level difference of only ~20x. Since Champa is weaker than Beerus,I put him 30% SSJ4 Gogeta. beerus locks at universal. MUI Goku surpasses Beerus and Jiren was able to swap hands with MUI Goku. Although, there were statements outside the show saying Broly was stronger than a God of Destruction. When the match comes to an end, it is revealed that Belmod faked being knocked down and had taken no damage over the course of the match. SSB Gogeta VS UI Goku VS Beerus VS Jiren VS Broly(Battle Royale) Dragon Ball - General This is ... a Spirit Bomb that was stated later in the Tournament to rival SS2 Kefla in raw power, ... since we don't know what level of UI Beerus has access to. I don't remember if Gogeta was even used in DBZ or it was just DBGT, but I know Vegito was used in the Buu Saga and was insanely powerful in comparison. Goku's power scaling was never 100% correct. SSJ4 Gogeta, or Vegito if he existed, don't stand a chance. SS4 Gogeta simply lay for having the coolest design in the Dragonball lore. Jiren shook the entire world of void just releasing a tiny bit of his Ki. His power will be retconned until he's more powerful than Zeno, Seriously Goku should wipe the floor with him by realistic scaling even without UI, OT: I think it's been established that Super>GT in terms of power so Beerus should win. And Jiren is the only being next to Goku Ultra Instinct that's shown to be able to can fight on par with Beerus' level. @thelostshinobi: Even if he can damage Goku, which I doubt, there is no way he is beating Goku in 15 minutes. Tier: Low 2-C | At least Low 2-C. Name: Gogeta Origin: Dragon Ball. In the anime Whis implied and in the manga Belmod was the only God of Destruction to dominate several other Gods of destruction. In 2 or 3 hits, he dominated Frieza and KO'ED him in an instant. It's pretty much been implied both in the manga and anime that Belmod is more powerful than Beerus. Universe 7 wasn’t a concept until DBS so it’s universal designation isn’t relevant. Gogeta was powerful, but more powerful than Beerus is bogus, since A). SSJG was already at the very least hundreds of times more powerful than SSJ3 Goku, and on top of that, SSJB is significantly more powerful than SSJG. Because Super Saiyen God or ssg goku was 70% of beerus. So,SSJ4 Gogeta does the same thing like last time except,he toys around with him more and goes 50%.Since Vados is stronger than Whis,I put her at 90% SSJ4 Gogeta. Doesn't leave too much room for imagination xD. Now if by multiplying 10 by 30 mill = 10% then multiplying 100 = 100%. So Arale is stronger than Vegeta and Goku is she? I never claimed Broly was stronger than Beerus. level 1. Now, go to 3:06 and see that Whis already knew Jiren was far from full power. We see that even Beerus seems taken aback by the power of SSJB Kaiokenx10 Goku, so surely Vegito is over his power at least by some margin. What is Beerus's level? It meant the destruction of his universe if his team loses. so yeah, dozens of times uiversal is High multi universal. ... Was it even stated Brolys power continuously raises? this scaling are based off the official statements. It is the time limit and whether they manage to stay fused that is the kicker in that fight. Bloodmatch. Gogeta is the Metamoran Fusion of Goku and Vegeta, formed to defeat Broly. The only reason they don't is because they can counter their own shockwaves when they strike. NEVER has Whis stated that Broly's power was near a God of Destruction's domain, not even remotely close... Beerus has never ever stated how many % he has used during the fight between Goku during his God form. Knowing Beerus he wouldn't just stand by when he senses someone stronger than him. Goku base and Beerus had the potential to destroy the entire universe just by colliding their fists and God form the impact of their fists destroyed solar systems. He was just chilling and keeping an eye on everyone's Ki.He only said "Looks like they have managed it". Beerus utterly stomps. SS4 gogeta (dozens of times stronger)> SS4 goku (probably stronger) >= SS vegito > Buuhan (universal). I can see what you were going for, beerus and goku weren't busting the universe either, they were causing magical waves that didn't bust the universe either. SSJ Broly isn't even stronger than SSJ Gogeta, who isn't that much stronger than 50x SSB Goku (Base Gogeta being around SSB Goku's level) which is nothing to ToP Omen Goku and Jiren. Made Goku scared just by showing 'a hint' of his true power. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. The only two mortals that surpasses Beerus are Jiren and Goku with his Mastered Ultra Instinct form. I could point to some scaling, but why should I bother. They all show that something is possible. In Xenoverse, pairing Gogeta against Beerus will make Beerus say "Hohoho! Tbh we could get clear confirmation on who wins if toei can tell us who's stronger between Vegito and beerus. B). then again gogeta can just kill the supreme kai and easily neg, Beerus grabs Gogeta by hair and says hakai. @chasekilleen: in the manga Beerus was holding his oun against 11 GoDs Belmod including, as well being the last GoD standing alongside quitela who’s statement proves this 2 are the strongest GoDs saying he figure both of them will be the last standing, while elmod was smiling on the ground it doesn’t mean his stronger than Beerus it’s only mean he rather not put himself in a hard fight for no good reason while Beerus and quitela had a score to settle and are the strongest GoDs, also in the manga it was quitela who beat Beerus in Arm wrestling not Belmod and even if you want to argue it’s Belmod in the anime it doesn’t mean he will beat him in a straight fight it’s only Means he’s slightly stronger, Beerus has better feats/statements and implication to be the strongest GoD. This is about as much a universe buster as carbon emissions are a life wiper...in fact, that very attack, after only having its polarity reversed to positive, normal ki...didn't destroy anything at all. SSJB Vegito or Gogeta- if that ever happened, would be a way better match up. And go to 3:06. cat dies. I'd be sweating too. His single best attack that took years upon years of stored energy, was only going to destroy the universe by polluting it with negative ki and rotting it over time. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ?They never said MUI "might" be stronger than Beerus... Beerus and Whis themselves even acknoledged that Goku in MUI has already surpassed Beerus.When did they say "might"?Give me the direct quote... @karkus: I'm talking about how the dubbed said it. Never claimed otherwise. I hope you are not trolling because in the English dub Goku said might be stronger than our Beerus and also probably and might are literally same thing. The 'might' indicates that Broly is 'around' Beerus' level. @mainjp: When Broly attacked Frieza in his Golden form for an hour, not only Frieza didn't sustain any life threatening injuries, but Frieza was still in his Golden form.Toppo a God of Destruction in training, theorectically the weakest God of Destruction, absolutely thrashed Frieza without trying whatsoever and Jiren knocked Frieza out cold in one shot.Gogeta smashing dimensions is nothing new since Super Buu nearly succeded in doing that whilst Gohan was absorbed.That's not impressive at all... Jiren's 'hint of his true power' made Goku revert back to his base form, because he realized how powerful he truly was and Vegeta said that Jiren's Ki was the 'heaviest ki I have ever felt'. I personally like Gogeta more, so for me, he wins. there was no mention of a ''mortal'' part, universe only. where his Universe is in danger of being erased where he and Whis can't intervene. and it better not be ''my opinion''. That's an amazing power! Hit's dimensions were the size of a small building. beerus via feats locks at universal. @karkus: Still doesn't prove Beerus is any means weaker does it? your argument is headcanon, the ''multiverse'' wasn't a thing, but the fact that the otherworld is a part of the universe was emphasised. proof? Not to mention he wasn’t busting the universe, he was merely ripping through the barriers to parallel dimensions until the universe collapsed. R1: Beerus stomps. I don't recall Jiren bursting his way out of a dimension via force or anything like that. @karkus: Might and Probably are the same? Broly on the other hand neither made Beerus bat an eye, nor did he make Goku and Vegeta break their own limits and also Goku and Vegeta never used their Kaioken and Evolution (respectively) So we can definitely say that didn't try their absolute hardest. spamming is not gonna change that. Already did. Got in to a debate with a friend, I personally believe Gogeta can triumph Beerus but apparently his powers have been retconned to the point where he's near omnipotent. There's nothing to shake in a void. Gogeta, one of Dragon Ball's strongest, is the Metamoran fusion of Goku and Vegeta that was introduced to us canonically during Dragon Ball Super: Broly.Being a fusion, this form increases their power level tremendously, as seen in the movie, where they … Buu used Vice Shout to collapse dimensional walls and pass through them, Gogeta and Broly were shattering entire dimensions. The same can't be said while fighting Broly. He was comparing it to his fight with Beerus during his first time fighting Beerus in his God form. He literally says that his power is on a God of Destruction or surpassed it. You can't compare Beerus especially since, he has never shown his full strength. Manga Beerus knows Ultra Instinct (Omen), and judging how full powered Broly couldn't even touch a casual Whis. Super never stated how many %% Beerus was using, so he could he using 20% - 30% as an incredibly rough estimate. If we go by feats over scaling then we end up with stuff like SSG Ritual Goku > Jiren/broly. Gogeta Blue stomped someone comparable to Beerus without much effort, meaning Gogeta is likely much stronger than that. Vegito should be way stronger but with how fucked super power scaling is you never know. SSJB Gogeta roflstomped a Beerus level fighter. There's nothing outright saying that he's on Beerus'level, again that's not Beerus' level. what is this a joke? !AND HIS TRANSFORMING INTO IT WITHOUT BEING FUSED IN THEIR SUPER SAIYAN 4 STATE. The only time he was serious was when he fought with Goku God form. SSJ4 Gogeta isn't even on a level with SSB Goku, and normal ki can't damage Beerus, you need God Ki. what's an Infinite of nothing? Yeah, but we can get an idea that he used a good amount when he fought Champa in the baseball episode. I don’t think it’d be easy, but this one would go to Broly and Jiren. And Beerus scales of off jiren and goku who shook infinite world of void, so yes he scales higher. The threat was the after-effect, and only over time. @karkus: What? you claim it's dumb despite seeing inferior feats...so, feats > scaling. Gogeta would probably win. In Tournament of Power, Whis personally said that: "His powers has reached the domains of a God of Destruction or potentially has even surpassed it" when Jiren only released a bit of his Ki or that he was supressed heavily. @mainjp: You still haven't shown any feats nor evidence saying that Gogeta is stronger.Jiren still had better feats than Gogeta and Broly's fight. Furthermore, Full power SSJ Broly couldn’t even land a single finger on Gogeta once he used SSB. Whilst Jiren was heavily supressed. Beerus via superior inferior feats and even better worst scaling. Just can't imagine the power level of something like SSGSS3 Vegito or some crazy shit like that. Super Saiyan God increases the power by x700. Goku Super Saiyan Blue/Kaioken forced Hit out of his dimensions twice. Thx for watching Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_.attila._145/ While all fusions have immense power, Gogeta's power is abnormal even by regular standards, as Vegeta and Goku's intense rivalry has brought out an exceptional power. beerus is only Universal via feats. Jiren was way stronger than the team of U7 at the time. In my honest opinion it's Beerus. This means ssg goku was around 2,100,000,000. This isn't like the T.O.P. And Beerus has never shown his full strength, in the Super anime+manga, it's never stated that which percentage of power Beerus used.If Broly was such a threat to Beerus' position as a God, then why didn't he intervene, nor ever did Whis as well.Whis was merely playing aroud with Broly. I can say for 100% certainty though that Gogeta Blue >Full Power Jiren > Omen Goku 3rd time since Gogeta bodied a person with identical statements to Omen Goku at least. He acknowledged Jiren was far from full power, so it's more likely he was referring to what he thought his full power was. They never said MUI "might" be stronger than Beerus, https://twitter.com/KenXyro/status/1026341411283763202. @karkus: Even Whis stopped Beerus and Goku's match when they were just merely "sparring". A common debate. I know that Vegito wasn’t able to win, especially due to the time limit. There wasn't any of the sort saying that Broly was stronger than Beerus. I just wanna rub it in the faces of people in here who can't tell a narrative device when they see one. I'm not here to let you blow smoke up my butt and tell me otherwise.Provide me with evidence or don't claim otherwise especially if you have nothing to backup your claim...I am still waiting for proof that Broly is on Beerus' level... @karkus: Try again...You don't know anything about the English language. It's more likely he compared it to Beerus when he fought Champa in Episode 69 of DBS, since that was the first time he saw a serious Beerus fight. Using what Dragon Ball Nation said (I don't know his real name) Whis would be 80% SSJ4 Gogeta.So,Gogeta goes 100%,toys with Whis a little,then takes the fight seriously and ultimately,wins with a couple of scratches.Now,since Dragon Ball Super is out,why not cover Champa and Vados and the Omniking. Frieza was still in his transformation and he was not even fatally wounded. Yes. Furthermore, many, many times has Goku been mistaken about his own and other people's power, he either always over/under estimates it. As proven when Jiren said: "Both of your attacks are sharper" and when Goku Blue Kaioken + Vegeta Blue Evolution was attacking Jiren, Jiren tanked in all those hits and he was largely still sealing his powers off and during the Saiyan's assualt, never once did Jiren release anymore power/Ki nor his face expressions changed to a slightly more annoyed expression. In the movie, just the standard Super Saiyan power-up was enough for him to beat the crap out of Frieza for about an hour and it took the combined might of both Vegeta and Goku (literally) to finally take the big beast down. Judging by what we see in the movie Gogeta Blue hasn't shown anything that's comparable to Jiren in Tournament of Power. Never has Whis nor anyone else stated that Broly nor Gogeta was more powerful. @karkus: I asked you to provide proof first.If you can provide evidence to say that Broly is on Beerus' level then I will find it secondly... Marketing and announcement hypes don't count... @chasekilleen: I never claimed Broly was on Beerus's level. ", while Gogeta will say "Maybe I can win against Lord Beerus now." The Z movie is irrelevant since after Super came out. Gogeta and Broly hasn't even shown anything that's close to what Jiren was capable of during the Tournament of Power. Keep in mind this is Vegeta post Battle of Gods, Golden Frieza, Universe 6 vs 7, Black Goku/Future Trunks arc. Beerus, Super powerscaling is greater than GT's one. Buu was going to destroy the mortal universe, there is nothing suggesting otherworld would have been destroyed too. The strongest SS4, Gogeta, fodderized Omega Shenron....who did nothing noteworthy. He didn't have to be, he and Whis were right there and free to stop him if need be. It only said "Mightiest vs. Mightiest" and "Strongest enemy they ever faced.". Going by feats for one character while scaling for the other is stupid, especially when Beerus(the character with feats) would scale massively above Buuhan as well. The real debate should be SSJB vegito vs Beerus. @deathwingterminatort1000: Please tell me how SSJ4 Gogeta does not stand up to SSB Goku, @deathwingterminatort1000: yea ik lol I was just fucking around with that post lmao. Boosting Omega Shenron's power level to Beerus level won't be enough for a victory for Omega. "How can a mortal release this much Ki"? It was heavily implied that in both manga and anime that Belmod is stronger than Beerus. I would put SSJ4 Gogeta at 100%, 10% Omniking!So,he just goes full power and thrashes SSJ4 Gogeta. No. Heavily suppressed Jiren being stronger than Beerus doesn't fit with other statements such as that MUI "might" be stronger than Beerus. It all depends on who the authors like more, and its been like this for quite a while now. Meaning he is much stronger than he was before. Beerus and Whis themselves even acknoledged that Goku in MUI has already surpassed Beerus. MUI Goku was around Beerus full power and likely a bit stronger. Provide the evidence Beerus stomps Broly. I can't wait for the day we see a serious Beerus. Beerus one shots all of GT. @phantasial: Stop it, go back to wanking Naruto. Personally,I think SSJ4 Gogeta would be stronger than Beerus and Whis.This is how I think the fights would go:It would take Beerus a while to go 100% because he hasn't went that in a long time so,SSJ4 Gogeta would probably toy with Beerus until he goes 100%.Once Beerus does reach his max power,I think SSJ4 Gogeta would still play around with him.I think Beerus is about 40% SSJ4 Gogeta.So,SSJ4 Gogeta goes 75%,toys around with Beerus,then knocks him out.Now,Whis. Read Gogeta vs Beerus from the story Dragon Ball Xeno: Part one by Silenttoast132 with 344 reads. How many times do we have to keep debunking this? Beerus utterly stomps. Beerus power level at 100% is around 3 billion. GG. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. He was comparing Jiren to Beerus'power as a God of Destruction at that time when he said that, naturally because he is Beerus' teacher and mentor, so he knows his strengths and weaknesses. Articles from a legitimate source? Gogeta vs Beerus Power Levels - Dragon Ball Super - YouTube Not the same as straight up busting a universe. Only way you can argue Gogeta at universal is if you scale off Buuhan based on a filler scene, meanwhile Beerus would have destroyed the Macrocasm(mortal universe and otherworld) which is more impressive than what Gogeta has done by feats. But he has better skill, can use hakai and UIO. Unlikely and probably both show something is possible, but the latter connotes that it's more likely than the former. So yeah he might legit be near Angle tier. SS4 doesn't compare to SSB and above because it simply never got the feats. Prove me wrong that Gogeta Blue is not stronger than Beerus.Because Beerus never worried about Broly. Frieza was literally there for 1 hour fighting Broly and not only was he able to have a few bruises and injury, but he was CONSCIOUS and he WAS IN HIS GOLDEN FORM! @mainjp: There's no proof whatsoever to indicate Gogeta stronger than Beerus. Not with collision. Still gogeta via scaling. Goku stated that Broly might even surpass Beerus. Beerus power level at 1 percent is 30 million. Goku said Broly was probably stronger than Beerus, and while he may not have seen his full power, he probably saw a decent amount in the baseball episode. Gogeta and UI Goku both bodied someone, one stated to be > beerus, the other => beerus. If the two brothers were serious then they would've actually released more of their Ki's. don't worry if plot wants then there will be a transformation for goku and friends to overcome beerus and everyone above him. @karkus: I never said Beerus stomps Broly. Gogeta's power is way beyond the gods of destruction, Beerus wouldn't stand a chance against him especially in the blue form. 30,000,000 x 100 = 3 billion. Goku vs BeerusThanks For WatchingIn this video, I will be diving in on my personal very own personal power levels for DBZ, DBS, DBGT, DBH. User Info: SwadeDBFan2. ?Do you not understand synonyms?? @karkus: Why are you comparing feats to a gag episode? ready to take you anytime. In the manga he was the only one who never got injured and in the anime he has beaten Beerus in arm wrestling challenge. He has Whis to protect him, and is a good match for Broly himself. Even if you disagree the basis of your argument is still dumb, cause both Gogeta and Beerus scale far above Buuhan. Also, if Beerus was much stronger than Broly, it would be disingenuous to include such a statement with no indication that it was wrong. There's no proof to suggest that Gogeta is even on Beerus' level.Judging by the movie.Gogeta hasn't shown anything in terms of feat wise that's even comparable to Jiren. I don't want any vague BS or excuses or any other useless comparisons from a stupid gag episode. Blue is an absolute mismatch tho... @chasekilleen: It was said by the director Frieza had shown growth from the ToP to Broly movie. Makes sense. They aren't. He thrashed Goku Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken X20 and tanked in hits from Goku Kaioken Blue and Vegeta Blue Evolution whilst still surpressed. Not the same as straight up busting a universe. When he is attacked by Liqueur's Tail Energy Cannon Barrage, Belmod takes no damage from the assault. And Belmod never got injured by Liqeueur's attacks and at the end, Belmod was the only God of Destruction that never got injured, despite the fact that he was attacked multiple times... Belmod even confirms that "Jiren is a being that never loses, no matter who he's up against"For a someone that a God of Destruction cannot defeat means that the other individual is more powerful than the Gods. @phantasial: Dumb comparison considering Broly and Jiren both trashed stronger versions of SSG Goku, and while yes scaling is more important in cases like that DBS and GT don’t scale to each other which is why feats are more important. @tony501: Again with the baseless argument, with no proof whatsover...Any links? Universe 7 wasn’t a concept until DBS so it’s universal designation isn’t relevant. @tony501: Belmod is stronger than Beerus. IF Beerus and Gogeta ever fights Beerus will still win since he's never brought out his true power in a match. Whis literally stated that Jiren when supressed was "in the domains of a God of Destruction or surpassing it" and even Belmod himself in the manga has admitted that Jiren is more powerful than him, combat wise. Provide me with evidence or don't claim otherwise. @chasekilleen: Vegito in the Black Arc was said to rival Beerus by Shin in the manga, I feel like Post ToP he surpassed him given the fact it was said Gogeta=Vegito in one of the guid book I saw once for the movie, there is also the fact Jiren is confirmed by the angels to be high GoD Tier And stronger than Belmod who I believe is in the Top 5 strongest GoDs with Beerus and quitela at the Top with Jiren in their level more or less(Beerus can’t be that much stronger than Belmod) And Broly is evry bit as strong as Jiren or maybe more in raw power given Freiza’s statement and Goku’s as well, he also outmatched SSj Gogeta who is already in the GoDs range of power given the fact his base form is stronger than Blue Goku/Vegeta by the lock on piccolo when they fuse, Now Broly does lack the skills and experience Beerus has but Gogeta power is so great he can overcome it with nearly equal skills anyway given the fact he has Goku and Vegeta but I still favor Beerus due to UI, Hakai can be a factor but I think Gogeta will overpower it like Vegeta did to Toppo, UI is also a factor but unless he has its mastered form Beerus won’t beat him tho I feel like he has something under his sleeve given how unthreatened he was from Broly/Jiren when he encounters them tho MUI Goku did made him give his respect but there was no fear as tho Goku become his equal and not his superior, in the end Gogeta has to much power to lose his skills are enough to compete with any GoDs and just like Jiren didn’t need UI to match Goku so doesn’t Gogeta need to beat Beerus who’s only chance is if in fact he has mastered UI and keeps everyone in the dark for sports as he usually does when he fights given how strong he is. If Jiren beats the team, then Beerus gets erased. Toppo a God of Destruction in training, the weakest God of Destruction is more powerful than Frieza. clearly something is wrong with that hence why scaling is as important as feats. SSJ4 Gogeta vs. Beerus. So we can say that Goku is the least reliable power scaler in Dragon Ball (DB) franchise. @thelostshinobi: Repeat thread, but welcome anyway. Gogeta is the Metamoran Fusion of Goku and Vegeta, formed to defeat Broly. anyways. But Beerus isnt even sweating Vegeta, which causes him to use the Final Flash on Beerus in which he uses his left arm to flick the attack like nothing. You don't know anything about the English language. He didn't say that. Meanwhile SSB is an advancement of a form that could physically destroy the universe with shockwaves from physical attacks. Base Gogeta (DBS) vs. Vegito Blue (DBS) Considering how insane and ludicrous the scaling and power creep between each arc is in DBS, I thought this would be an interesting match. Plus, Gogeta only lasts for 30 minutes. Well, all of those words mean more or less the same thing, as I'm sure you know. Jiren heavily surpressed scared Beerus, to the point that he was sweating and was nearly in despair. Yeah, they show something is possible, but the words connote varying degrees of likelihood. @tony501: Belmod never got injured and in the anime he beat Beerus in arm wrestling and in both anime and manga Belmod is implied to be stronger than Beerus. Gogeta 100x BBK > Gogeta SS4 (dozens of times stronger than an SS4) > SS4 (>= SS vegito) > SS vegito > Buuhan (near-universal). Not bad at all! There's no proof to even suggest that Broly was on Beerus' level, not even close. Even if he did, this is a battle between him and Beerus, he's not gonna let him leave and find the Supreme Kai. The fight between SSJ3 Goku and Beerus was one-sided, but Goku could still track Beerus's movements for the most part. Transformations do not matter, feats do not matter. As we all know Whis is a teacher/mentor of a God of Destruction, so he knows pretty much every nooks and cranny regarding the powers of a God of Destruction. And? Yes, you stated that, but it's unsure if it's true. Probably > Might. That wasn't base Goku. Buu was going to destroy the mortal universe, there is nothing suggesting otherworld would have been destroyed too. In the movie Beerus knew that Goku and Vegeta could handle it and if Broly really did potentially endanger Beerus' position as a God of Destruction then why didn't Whis or Beerus himself intervene? Perhaps Gogeta could damage him, but I just think that he's above him. Who wins? @karkus: Go to 3:20...He literally says that his power is on a God of Destruction or surpassed it. , while Gogeta will say `` Maybe i can win against Lord Beerus now. single. 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